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Boar hunters

10.09.2007,
8:50 pm

Experience with the Sellier and Bellot partial coat 11.7g

Hello people and Waidmannsheil

I shoot sows with the 300Win Mag Winchester T Power Point and am more than satisfied with it.

But I also have a 30 06,
Now my question has one of you experience with the S and B 11.7g partial coat.

For escape routes etc ... from sows and roe deer ...


The cartridges are of course very cheap, but cheap doesn't mean bad.

I would also like to know what the bullet with the 300 Win mag looks like


mfg to all and WDH

Sauerland

10.09.2007,
9:28 pm

@ Boar hunters

Experience with the Sellier and Bellot partial coat 11.7g

»Now my question has one of you experience with the S u B 11.7g
“Partial coat.

I only know this cartridge from the shooting range, always have a pair in the closet when it comes to the shooting theater on running boars, etc., because it has an almost identical point of impact as my normal ammunition. Because of the really good prices of 15 € per package, a word about my Norma Vulkan in 11.7! I had already thought about packing it into the roe deer hide, but somehow I prefer to fall back on the Norma!

pig

10.09.2007,
9:37 pm

@ Sauerlander

Experience with the Sellier and Bellot partial coat 11.7g

join me.
on the stand she is okay.
at the wild too little scrap.
I prefer the norma volcano.
speak for 7X57r and 7x65r.
at s & b escape.
norma is in the fire.

wh
pig

Mike

10.09.2007,
9:41 pm

@ Boar hunters

Experience with the Sellier and Bellot partial coat 11.7g

Hello Saujager,

»I shoot sows with the 300Win Mag Winchester T Power Point and am
»More than satisfied with that.

Never change a runing system!

“The cartridges are of course very cheap, but cheap doesn't mean the same thing
" bad.

I also flirted with the S&B once. But after I had to find outliers in the shot from time to time, I got away from it. Then a few cents more.



Good Hunting


Mike

pig

10.09.2007,
9:44 pm

@ Mike

Experience with the Sellier and Bellot partial coat 11.7g

Hi Mike,

the s & b also makes the barrel very dirty with smoke and abrasion.
since i am naturally lazy, i avoid things like the deibel and holy water.

wh
pig

Crispy bear

10.09.2007,
10:34 pm

@ Boar hunters

Experience with the Sellier and Bellot partial coat 11.7g

Hi,
if you charge yourself, the bullet is really good.

I load the S&B partial jacket bullet in 9.3x62 with 18.5 grams and in the 30-06 with 11.7 grams.
I use the 30-06 too seldom to give a really reasonable assessment, but in the 9.3 I am extremely satisfied with the bullet.
Wild boar, no matter how big, is always rejected, escape routes usually less than 50 meters (provided that the bullet has hit where it should ) you have almost no bruises.
With roe deer there is almost no game loss, but every now and then there are stretches of fulness of up to 100 meters, but always sweat like from a watering can, sometimes I had pieces that ran until they ran out of fuel.

Peter on the hunt

10.09.2007,
10:45 p.m.

@ Boar hunters

Experience with the Sellier and Bellot partial coat 11.7g

»
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"But I also have a 30 06,
»Now my question has one of you experience with the S u B 11.7g
“Partial coat.
»
»For the purpose of an escape route etc ... from sows and roe deer ...
»
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»
»Hello sow hunters,

I have been shooting the Game King 11.7g S&B in caliber 30.06 for years and I can highly recommend this cartridge. The maximum escape distance for roe deer is 10 m (with around 30 roe deer per year).
With sows, my experience is not meaningful because I especially when I go to sows or I want to go I use the 9,3x62 DK from RWS, whereby the sows I shot at, which I shot with S&B, were also dead (max escape distance 100m) .

Personally, I've never had any problems with cleaning my barrels, because after every hunt I pull my barrels through with the QuickClean, whether a shot was fired or not, that's how I learned earlier.

Franz

10.09.2007,
10:56 p.m.

@ Boar hunters

Experience with the Sellier and Bellot partial coat 11.7g

Due to its thin and evenly drawn jacket, this projectile has a V-target limit that should be somewhere around 700 m / s. I uploaded it up to 1000 m / s and had to find out that from 750 m / s the effect in the game is no longer controlled. Sometimes there is no more waste, sometimes a huge hole and then again huge hematomas and hemorrhages in the flesh. It's not for nothing that S&B has been buying bullets from Barnes and Sierra for several years.

The precision of serial ammunition has many outliers. With a Vo measurement of an entire box, the scatter was at least well over 50 m / s, but this was a few years ago. A relatively new shooting theater in Bavaria no longer allows this ammunition to be fired because too much powder particles and dust end up in the air conditioning system, it burns badly.

In my opinion, the reloader can knit an inexpensive disc cartridge with it.

Matthias

11.09.2007,
6:15 am

@ Boar hunters

Experience with the Sellier and Bellot partial coat 11.7g

“Hello guys and Waidmannsheil
»
»I shoot sows with the 300Win Mag Winchester T Power Point and am
»More than satisfied with that.
»
"But I also have a 30 06,
»Now my question has one of you experience with the S u B 11.7g
“Partial coat.
»
»For the purpose of an escape route etc ... from sows and roe deer ...
»
»
“The cartridges are of course very cheap, but cheap doesn't mean the same thing
" bad.

Hello everybody ,
I don't use the cartridges with S&B TMR bullets anymore, since I noticed that the bullets are magnetic (steel jacket), but the bullets used to be made of mild steel that was tens of years ago.
I do not want to expose my run if there are other possibilities.
I switched to S&B Siera Gameking 7x65R and Geco TMR 9.3x62 and very happy with it.

Maximus

11.09.2007,
8:27 am

@ Boar hunters

Experience with the Sellier and Bellot partial coat 11.7g

Hello sow hunters,
I use the bullet with 3006 and 7 x 64. can actually only report positive things. However, really strong pieces (sows and deer over 80 kg) have not yet been shot with it. Perfect for the deer!
W.H.
Maximus

Frank Schaffer

11.09.2007,
9:30 a.m.

@ Boar hunters

Experience with the Sellier and Bellot partial coat 11.7g

It makes "boom", the piece is a good hit fit, but sometimes not (as with any bullet, even the expensive one), with my Acera it has a range of about 5DM piece size at 100m without any major mental shooting sport actions If you want to or clamp it, less, 99.9% of the outliers are probably due to the shooter in every mun and if the weapon is cleaned every few months, it is clean again.

Why should I then spend as much on a lonely pack of 20 RWS as I have to spend with S&B for 100 shots all year round, including standing shots?

It's a shame about the money and the Fuechse didn't look any less broken with Vulkan than with S&B.

Teddy

15.09.2007,
11:43 am

@ Boar hunters

Experience with the Sellier and Bellot partial coat 11.7g

[Hello sow hunters

For years I have been using the S & B in cal. 7x65 11.2g because it is quite cheap and I have a correspondingly high ammunition consumption.
With the usual hit position (leaf) chamber lung shot, the game is mostly in a bang. You have short escape distances at heart from or shot at every game. Hunt red, dam, black and roe deer with this cartridge. Likewise, predatory game and prey. Regarding the mentioned barrel contamination, I can only say that it is no more than with other cartridges. Gun care after the hunt or the shot is a matter of course. I can only say about the described Norma volcano, too hard for roe deer. Otherwise a good cartridge. However, with enormous hematoma formation in the reject area and not only when hit on a bone. I have also found the same lead-free with the Barnes.

Waidmannsheil Teddy

robertschneider

20.08.2008,
5:47 pm

@ Maximus

Experience with the Sellier and Bellot partial coat 11.7g

»Hello sow hunters,
»I use the bullet on the 3006 and 7 x 64. I can only really do it
»Positive reports. However, really strong pieces (sows and
»Deer over 80 kg) has not yet been shot with it. With the deer
" perfect !
»W.H.
“Maximus

No, probably not! Sufficiently accurate for the shooting range. Clean a little more. No competition cartridge. But whatever.

This is not necessary here when hunting. In Poland in the Eastern Carpathians, where I go from time to time, everyone hunts with cartridges. There is no other way here due to lack of mass. No matter - some excellent hunters under it. But here - nobody has to be that stingy.

Think back to the Christmas hunt, a buck blown to a pulp. Child's head-sized bullet hole. I have no idea where the meat went. Probably atomized in space. 30-06. Or 7 x 65R stag shot in the stab. Good hit. After an insertion depth of 5 cm, the wound channel turned 45 degrees to the right. One flag of the coat went straight ahead 15 cm and got stuck in the heart. The shooter: "Good luck. Do you know Hirsch? Otherwise run 1 km after the hit!"

Even shot a deer with the 7x64 cartridge. Never again. It went off like a rocket. Like in a comic. The following scare dog mission lasted a surprisingly long time. Amazing how far the piece got. Regarding the hit position, the bloodhound handler said: "Perfect hit position. There is not much you can do about that".

No, the cartridge does not have to be used on game here. Unless poor. But are there really poor hunters here? Pay better RWS or same quality.

Mike

20.08.2008,
5:56 pm

@ robertschneider

Experience with the Sellier and Bellot partial coat 11.7g

Hello Robert,

“Think back to the Christmas hunt, a buck blown to a pulp.

You sure mean: a multi-year Buck fawn?!



Good Hunting


Mike
PS: Use GECO (is also from RWS) and I am satisfied with it.

robertschneider

20.08.2008,
8:02 pm

@ Mike

Experience with the Sellier and Bellot partial coat 11.7g

»Hello Robert,
»
»» Think back to the Christmas hunt, a goat blown to a pulp.
»
“You sure mean: A multi-year Buck fawn?!
»
»
»
»

82 years old. Approx. 60Y. No bad word was uttered.

Young hunter

20.08.2008,
9:24 pm

@ Boar hunters

Experience with the Sellier and Bellot partial coat 11.7g

Hello

Because the 6.5 was broken we had borrowed a 30.06 with this Labo at the beginning of December. Shot four deer at a distance of 50-150 m. All were in a bang. Committee about 10 cm in size but no sulz.


Julius

BEAGLE

20.08.2008,
11:04 pm

@ robertschneider

Experience with the Sellier and Bellot partial coat 11.7g

why do you answer this thread after almost a year?

beagle, the uncomprehending